34: Let’s Talk About Grief: Something Just Exploded (Kat and Colby Wilkins)

Kat and Colby Wilkins join Amy Fritz to talk about how they lost their faith community.

This is Colby’s first time on the show ,and he shares about how, in the words of Dr. Wade Mullen, his internal world was being dismantled.

This episode is a part of a series on grief. Amy shares some insights from Dr. Diane Langberg and Dr. Wade Mullen.

“You cannot live in this world and not grieve. To live here and not grieve is to be out of touch with reality. It is a failure to live in truth.” – Diane Langberg

Time stamps:

Men speaking up about spiritual abuse: [00:02:20]

Colby sets the record straight regarding the narrative about Kat: [00:03:29]

Picking up where we left off with the Wilkin’s story: [00:06:30]

Colby is told from that lead pastor that he has heard things about Kat that are concerning. [0023:25]

“Colby, Kat needs to be led.” [00:25:42]

The lead pastor approached Kat [00:27:37]

“Things just exploded. And they needed to explode.”[00:29:24]


The mosaic of grief [00:35:43]

Previous episodes with the Wilkins:

Untangled Faith: 30: Let’s Talk about Grief: On Grief & Loss of Community & Story with Curtis Chang on Apple Podcasts

Untangled Faith: 31: Let’s Talk About Grief: The Mosaic of Grief & How Denial is a Good Thing on Apple Podcasts

Untangled Faith: 32: Let’s Talk About Grief: Is It Okay To Be Angry? on Apple Podcasts


Suffering and The Heart of God by Dr. Diane Langberg

Something’s Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuse and Freeing Yourself from its Power by Dr. Wade Mullen

The Emotionally Healthy Church by Peter Scazzero

Episode 19: Our Ramsey Story: Everything Falls Apart

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