Amy Fritz is joined by Melissa J. Hogan for a conversation about how they realized they were connected to an unhealthy organization.

Melissa is an author of the upcoming book Afraid of the Doctor. She's also a lawyer, rare disease awareness advocate, and she consults on clinical trial design and patient outcome measures. In other words, she's brilliant.

Amy and Melissa met  when Melissa's husband at the time, and Nathan, Amy's husband, were working at Ramsey Solutions. In this episode they talk how the events happening in the Evangelical world in 2018 and 2019, along with different strategic resources, helped open their eyes red flags in the organization.

Links:
The Way of the Dragon of the Way of the Lamb
PhD dissertation from Wade Mullen
Bill Hybels abuse report
James MacDonald reporting by Julie Roys
Rachael Denhollander speaks up about abuse at Sovereign Grace
Boz Tchividjian, Abuse Survivor Advocate/Attorney
Julie Roys
Diane Langberg: Narcissism and the System it Breeds
The Body Keeps the Score
Afraid of the Doctor
Steve Hassan, cult expert
Melissa J. Hogan

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